Sunday, October 30, 2005

The Neverending Story

I just finished reading The Davinci Code. An interesting novel, but not something I would expound upon as highly factual. It did put a thought process in my mind that I might not have jumped to before, though.

The protagonist references Pagan references in a number of stories and movies of modern times. He goes to great lengths on Disney, including references to Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. I am not sure I would completely agree with these ties, particularly sleeping beauty. In that one, a woman bites of an apple and thus invokes a curse that can only be lifted by the love of one man. Match some mythology? Yes, but not Pagan. However, when I came home from work today, I sat back to watch a movie that my parents were watching and spend a few minutes with my daughter before I went to sleep. (This was ten o'clock this morning, I worked overnight.)

The movie was The Neverending Story. Watching this and reflecting on the portions I remembered that were past or not yet showing, I found myself surprised. Particularly that some of these people out there who denounce virtually every movie and book that comes out as un-christian missed this one. Perhaps they didn't, it is an old movie. Perhaps they hadn't gotten their wind yet.

Here we witness a tale in a land of magic. A land that is being eaten up by the nothing, which is later explained as people's unwillingness to believe. A young man goes on the hunt, where a sacred symbol. Two serpents, one of gold and one of silver, entwined with each other in an elaborate knot. As he consults various oracles on his quest it eventually becomes clear. To save the childlike empress (a mystical female, forever young) he must find her a new name. He is of Fantasia though, so he can't. It has to be done by a human. In the end, the world is flying apart and she cries out in frustration to Bastian that he must give her a name. That he has known it all along and he needs to cry it out. In doing so, he finds her with the speck of dust that is all that is left of her beautiful realm, but she offers him the ability, through his imagination, to remake the world she lives in and make it beautiful again.

I was shocked as this all came together with me. I must say, just about any time someone declares there is a hidden agenda, I scoff. Not so much this time. This is a story of the Goddess. It might not have been intended that way, although I suspect it must have been, but it is nonetheless. The symbols are definitely Pagan in nature, and their Goddess figure, the empress, suffers from a unique yet painful condition. People have refused to believe in her. Yet she doesn't tell people to open the old books and read the stories again. She says, "You must give me a name." She can't tell him who she is and mend the rift. He has to tell her who she is to him. The name he chooses is his mother. The symbolism here is also not likely to be coincedental.

In my essay, Lessons Unlearned, (The published version, not my post here under the same name.) I addressed a young wolf who was familiar with the Goddess. He knew what she wanted, he understood her ways. He even knew what she would have of him, but he couldn't provide it, and he didn't know why. The wolf was convinced that this pattern would repeat every month until he finally learned what was missing. It isn't the complete answer, but this name issue might hold part of the key. He can tell the world what her traits are, and generically what she is to them, but he won't declare what she is to him. This is what saddens her. This is what she waits for.

"What do you mean you don't know my name? My name is written on your heart. It is you who must tell me."

Just some reflections on the oddity of life, or something close to it.

24 Comments:

Blogger Hegemon said...

You said this story has pagan mythology, so I thought maybe within it I would find references to Buddha, that Hindu elephant god, Shinto shrines, the Navajo Great Turtle, whatever the hell Bahai believe in, Jupiter, Zeus, Thor's hammer, and all the other pagan things, but instead it was all just this Wiccan crap.

10:49 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

edit: Also there should have been atheists in it, as well as Quetzcoatl, Tutenkhamen, Confucius, and other similarly pagan things as these.

11:00 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

MC - By your definition via link, my reference holds true. Further, despite your arguments regarding one's right to do so, you know that the capitalized reference is now even generally acknowledged to refer to the grouping of earth based religions, which ties things even closer to what I was saying.

Did you know that the definition commonly provided now is based on the early christian church? Paganus referenced people who lived outside of the cities. The attachment that they were non-christian was assumed into the lexicon based on the fact that they were primarily earth worshipping peoples whose primary purpose of religion was to make sense of their harvest. Whatever the christian church wants to insinuate about the acceptibility of the people whom the word references, it does apply, both in origin and in the definition you referenced, to us. (Myself and followers of similar beliefs, although, as you pointed out, atheists at the least fall into the category of regular present usage.)

12:40 AM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

perhaps but the point I am trying to drive home for the fourth year running is that paganism is not a religion. It is a group of religions, and such a large group that I guarandamntee you there is nothing common to the lot except for not being any of the bog three. Therefore there can be no such thing as a pagan belief, no such thing as "paganism", and no such thing as a "pagan holiday" unless it can be equally applied to Shinto, atheism, Hindus, and atheists, amongs several hundred other religions. If it does not apply to some, it is not Pagan. I know us atheists don't believe in this goddess crap, hence she's not a pagan belief. I know Hindus don't believe in Samhain, so that's not a pagan holiday. I know Buddhists don't believe in magic, so that's not pagan.

You do not outrank the English language.

11:56 AM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

to illustrate: Things that are not metal taste good with spaghetti sauce. Sure, pasta is not metal, however the above statement is incorrect because cardboard boxes are not metal, and cardboard boxes do not satisfy the statement.

In another form: Welfare is supported by non-Republicans. Well, I'm pretty sure libertarians and anarchists would disagree, hence, the statement is untrue, or at the very least very misleading.

All I'm asking is to stop assuming a much greater mantle than is yours.

12:08 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

The english language has altered repeatedly through common usage. Further, a group can refer to themselves as they wish. Masons don't all work with stone anymore, but their name for their group is specific to certain peoples. As such, given the hundred that refer to themselves as belonging to the Pagan group of religions, all readily recognize to which they refer when they say they practice such a religion. The group of earth based religions could refer to themselves as Rocks if they so chose. Such is their right. If they gain enough recognition that people assume Rock to mean them, and you feel the title could also fit you, you might feel the need to specify that they don't reflect your opinions. That's not our problem. Find how many groups capitalize the word Pagan and then determine how many aren't earth based religions. It is a name for a grouping of people that is wide spread and continuing to grow. I haven't heard you raving against the improv group "Nuts and Bolts" despite the fact that there is no definitional relevance in that case. I suspect if this wasn't a group of religious people that you might (and I suspect rarely) find people confusing you with is the only reason you take issue with it. There are Pagan alliances, councils, publications and blogs. As a group, they exist. Individually the groups may not agree on every level, but there is a similarity and attachment amongst them. If you think the word has been usurped, fine. Even if it has, it has taken hold. You don't get it back.

4:55 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

The only thing with which I take issue is how this nomentclature is helping to hide the fact that the whole thing was invented in the 1920s and disguises it as an ancient and predating mysticism of the ancestors. It's more of an intentional mislabeling to lend an air of credulity than it is an evolution of language.

I suspect this ends my welcome on this blog.

5:54 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

Why in the world would you suspect this would end your welcome on this blog?

In truth, if you get past the fluff bunnies and read from the contemporary Pagan leaders, you will find that most, including myself, agree that this is not a continuation of ancient worship. While some elements are known of ancient earth worshipping practices, much has been lost. Hence the reference to renaming indicated at the end. Many strive to reach back to the foundational beliefs of the former Goddess revering practices, most serious practitioners wouldn't want to exactly duplicate said religions. Face it, everyone knows that the sun is not a god. It is a ball of fire. It is an adaptation, a growing spiritual quest.

There are those that would attempt to mislead people into believing they have an unbroken tradition in their family that predates Abraham in an attempt to create some legitemacy or fuel a war with christianity. Unfortunately they are lumped into the same overall group as the rest of us. That doesn't mean we are all propogating such a deception, and I am not simply projecting myself on the community. If you look at the major standing Pagan organizations, you will find many promote the same thing. In fact some take pride in the fact that we don't have a written tradition that we lock ourselves to, but rather a continuous personal spiritual quest.

6:34 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

If you are confused by my assumption perhaps I did a very poor job of communicating the derision I intended.

So you're basically making it up as you go along and claiming it to be in keeping with an eternal deity? Or are you admitting my contention that it's all just made up? There are those who would postulate that any given Wiccan resorted to it because they were so bored with reality that they decided if magic were real, it would be exciting. I mean, if you know the sun is a ball of fire (by the way it's actually a mass of incandescent gas; a giant nuclear furnace, if you will) and not a god, why would you presume any other deities exist? You know damn well why it gets cold in the winter (orbital eccentricity and polar tilt), so why does that inspire notions of a goddess going to sleep?

PS Fuck Halloween. I'm sitting here in the bathroom because it's the only room in the house that I can turn the lights on in without some little asshole wanting me to give him stuff. If I went to somebody's door and was like "Gimme something or I egg your house" they'd call the cops on me. Fuck you, kid. Go get a job and buy your own shit.

7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SNOW WHITE HAD THE APPLE NOT SLEEPING BEAUTY!!! And yes this is very important to your argument. Don't ask why it just is.

1:23 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

PS why?

2:13 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

Y'know Lisa you could have provided a contradiction too.. ;)

PS Anonymous how about you and your sweeping repertoire of fairy-tale knowledge get the fuck out of here before we start wondering how much of a life you have sitting around watching Disney movies?

4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow your testiness has prove my earlier assessment of you to be correct. We have the comic book guy here. But you are right i have wasted enough of MY time here, back to the real world.

P.S. MC
CHRISTIANITY IS AWESOME

5:27 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

Yes but you know that over the net it's impossible to dispense physical violence thus relegating my main strengths nigh useless.

I think "PS: CHRISTIANITY IS AWESOME!" is my new phrase that I say when someone says something absolutely retarded.

6:40 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

I love the bravery shown by people who remain anonymous.

MC - As to this specific argument, why do you ask questions you know you don't want to hear the answers to?

"So you're basically making it up as you go along and claiming it to be in keeping with an eternal deity? Or are you admitting my contention that it's all just made up? "

Neither apply. Your intention is confrontation. I have no problem with that. You know this. This is why your noted derision did not make you unwelcome. If there were ancient practices in keeping with God's desires, who taught them? God has to have spoken. If it happened once, would said God have been limited to that one shot? While I acknowledge that logic frequently appears to win arguments regarding religions, in this case, your attack might need a step back to logical grounds.

(I was going to remove the last because you take confrontation more personally than I, but then it occurred to me you are likely to strike back anyway, so I would make you happy by being confrontational for once.)

8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you

8:51 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

Who the hell are you thanking, you unconstructive and anonymous bastard? There is no conversation here that could be construed as supporting your juvenile position. Even MC for all his hostility provides a point to be addressed, rather than useless garbage that goes nowhere. Try something useful. Provide a tactical argument if you have such a thing. I will suggest one to warm you up. Why does it matter that Snow White bit the apple instead of sleeping beauty? You have presented no constructive argument for or against anyone's position in this. Try supporting your own. I am sure you think you are great touting Christianity. In truth, I know some wonderful Christians. Yet I have to ask, would Jesus be pleased that his supporting member presented themselves with all of the poise and clarity of a three year old with Down's Syndrome? I suspect he has more worthy candidates in mind if he is concerned with converting the main visitors of this blog, the core of which having an IQ well over your 3. Present yourself with intelligence or go away. Better yet, present some kind of identity as the rest of us have. Demonstrating your juvenile tendencies will only result in other itelligent anonymous bloggers from being prevented from posting here.

12:37 AM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

I know with no doubt whatsoever that though Wanderer and I disagree so drastically on so many things, he'd take my side in a second over you and I his over you. So don't think that you can exploit some perceived divisiveness, because we both have logical well-thought out arguments and we will never tolerate the likes of you. As the resident bouncer, I pronounce you no longer welcome here. In other words, get fucked, lowlife. Don't make me find out who you are and come slit your throat in front of your mother.

As an aside to other members, I'd like to brag about having just busted Wanderer in a little home game.. I slowplayed some pocket aces, he hit top pair on the flop and went all-in with it. I ended up winning the whole tournament for a ridiculously small sum of money, but the fun was had.

PS CHRISTIANITY IS AWESOME WOOOOOOOO

1:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My name is Joseph Blaszkow and i'm from Fort Wayne, Indiana if you would like my home address let me know so you can come slit my throat. I am a junior in high school and my only intent here was to get a rise out of people and apparently i have succeeded. I actually just started out making a stupid comment not expecting anything and then MC went crazy about the whole thing and made me think i could get on his nerves which i apparently did and that of several other readers here. So i'm happy your not i did my job.

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S. CHRISTIANITY IS AWESOME WOOOOOOOOOOOO

1:32 PM  
Blogger Hegemon said...

Yeah, I would like that address.

Anyone feel like taking a road trip this weekend?

As to Wanderer's comment, here's the thing, you know as well as I do that if Phill or Jan Mistretta came to you tomorrow wild-eyed and said God had given them a message that we should worship glass and ceremonially throw rubber balls at trains, you would not give them the time of day. So why are you so willing to give credence to some British guy from the 20s under similar conditions? Why does no one ever ask "why should I believe you?" to the various wackos who profess things these days? I don't remember most people outside of Texas ever contemplating the teachings of David Koresh; everyone was like "Hey have you heard of this mental case in Texas named David something?" But then this guy from post World War I England apparently ranks higher. I don't really understand why, especially since that which he professes is even more Looney Tunes than the examples given. I say with no personal offense intended that I regard Wicca as having the most ridiculous premise of any religion I'm aware of. I can't say most ridiculous religion period since Catholicism has already been awarded that distinction, but at least their basic, basic root is not straight from fairy tales. So to summarize a bit, basically, I'm really trying to understand why this hurdle to reason is so easily overcome in this case but less cliché religions without the "I'm so hip it hurts" factor didn't.

1:51 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

In truth it is my opinion that Wicca only barely hangs on as it's own entity because of the large amount of people who loosely affiliate with it as one of the closest named religions they can be associated with. Particularly since you are loosely familiar with the details of my spiritual path, and do know I associated with Wiccans in the past (and still do) I must ask. Why do you think I have not once out here identified myself as Wiccan, but rather as a Pagan? I'll give you a hint: I am not too supportive of Gardner or Buckland either.

The truth of the matter is that if you get past the fluff-bunny love spells and the very fringe elements who don't understand the entirety of the "Do as thou wilt" mandate, most Pagan practices (including Wicca) aren't any more absurd from an outsider's point of view than any other religious practice.

No religion survives simply on history. (Although the religion of your parents does play a factor.) They have survived based on shared experiences and definitions of what it was that was experienced.

Bear in mind as well that Gardner didn't immediately have millions of followers, nor did Jesus for that matter. David Koresh's version might have made it into the main stream if he hadn't killed all of his followers. The same might be true for heaven's gate and others. I doubt it, but it might have happened. In Koresh's case particularly I suspect it would not have survived as it was. Fortunately enough you don't tend to collect large numbers of followers by molesting their children and denying them relation to their spouses.

12:52 PM  
Blogger Wanderer said...

Joseph - I am pleased to know that even as a junior in high school you have failed to mature enough that "getting a rise" out of people rocks your world. Now go play with your barbies, the grown ups have a discussion to finish.

12:54 PM  
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